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	<description>I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Big Trouble In Little China: Oriental Absurdity and Transnationalism by Crap</title>
		<link>http://www.yggnoise.com/reviews/big-trouble-in-little-china-oriental-absurdity-and-transnationalism/comment-page-1#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Crap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  quite flattered.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Big Trouble In Little China: Oriental Absurdity and Transnationalism by Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's about the best scholarly defense of a film I've ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s about the best scholarly defense of a film I&#8217;ve ever read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Au Revoir, Les Enfants: Reflective Motifs by The Cineastes #4 Au Revoir Les Enfants &#171; Allan Gray&#8217;s Imagination</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Cineastes #4 Au Revoir Les Enfants &#171; Allan Gray&#8217;s Imagination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Au Revoir, Les Enfants: Reflective Motifs by Joshua W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a great point there about the black market, which is sort of the flip side of the priest taking in the Jews in the first place. Both digressions into lawlessness are for completely separate reasons, so the fact that one leads to the others discovery and annihilation works as a kind of indictment of selfishness. Which ties into Malle's constant questioning of the actions of the well off, it seems like Malle can forgive the children (even Joseph) who don't understand the scope of their actions, like you say, but he's intensely critical of the rich who put their blinders on, so to speak, so they don't have to act benevolently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a great point there about the black market, which is sort of the flip side of the priest taking in the Jews in the first place. Both digressions into lawlessness are for completely separate reasons, so the fact that one leads to the others discovery and annihilation works as a kind of indictment of selfishness. Which ties into Malle&#8217;s constant questioning of the actions of the well off, it seems like Malle can forgive the children (even Joseph) who don&#8217;t understand the scope of their actions, like you say, but he&#8217;s intensely critical of the rich who put their blinders on, so to speak, so they don&#8217;t have to act benevolently.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Au Revoir, Les Enfants: Reflective Motifs by Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting theories here... I'll have to rewatch with all this in mind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting theories here&#8230; I&#8217;ll have to rewatch with all this in mind!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Au Revoir, Les Enfants: Reflective Motifs by Crap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may have a point. I too saw him as pitiful but I guess I sympathized with him to an extent because mainly the age difference between him and the younger boys.  Then again, he was never really a redeemable character to start off with as you mention.  Even though I mention that Julien himself is somewhat ambiguous in this regard especially at the beginning of the film, the mere presence of the surrogacy expresses a deep acknowledgment of Malle's flaws, of which become redeemed at film's climax.

I have to admit its not a point I dwelled on too long as it had little bearing on what I wanted to discuss holistically but found it an interesting facet of the film nonetheless.

I think overall, I saw the character of Joseph in a larger scheme that blurred the lines between a good/bad morality.  Even the Nazi soldiers at the restaurant and the ones that pick up the boys after a game of war, seem redeemable in some way.  There's also lastly the sense that the boys are a microcosm for the war outside.  People unaware that small actions lead to big consequences.

If we really delve in, we could argue that Bonnet would have been safely kept if Joseph and the other boys such as Julien himself did not practice the Black Market.  Thus, Joseph would never have got kicked out and felt a need to sell out to the Gestapo.  I wouldn't put too much weight into this theory but its one that crossed my mind and thought Id mention.

Either way, appreciate the insightful comment and always welcome the criticism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have a point. I too saw him as pitiful but I guess I sympathized with him to an extent because mainly the age difference between him and the younger boys.  Then again, he was never really a redeemable character to start off with as you mention.  Even though I mention that Julien himself is somewhat ambiguous in this regard especially at the beginning of the film, the mere presence of the surrogacy expresses a deep acknowledgment of Malle&#8217;s flaws, of which become redeemed at film&#8217;s climax.</p>
<p>I have to admit its not a point I dwelled on too long as it had little bearing on what I wanted to discuss holistically but found it an interesting facet of the film nonetheless.</p>
<p>I think overall, I saw the character of Joseph in a larger scheme that blurred the lines between a good/bad morality.  Even the Nazi soldiers at the restaurant and the ones that pick up the boys after a game of war, seem redeemable in some way.  There&#8217;s also lastly the sense that the boys are a microcosm for the war outside.  People unaware that small actions lead to big consequences.</p>
<p>If we really delve in, we could argue that Bonnet would have been safely kept if Joseph and the other boys such as Julien himself did not practice the Black Market.  Thus, Joseph would never have got kicked out and felt a need to sell out to the Gestapo.  I wouldn&#8217;t put too much weight into this theory but its one that crossed my mind and thought Id mention.</p>
<p>Either way, appreciate the insightful comment and always welcome the criticism!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Au Revoir, Les Enfants: Reflective Motifs by Joshua W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always enjoy reading your posts, especially how you always seem to have a different vantage point, either historically or aesthetically. 

I agree with you on most of your points, and as the general buzz on Au Revoir, Les Enfants has been overwhelmingly positive, I daresay there'll be little dissent in the ranks of The Cineastes this time around.

That said, I'd like to disagree with you on one point, namely that Joseph receives as much sympathy as Julien. Perhaps it's just me, but I've always seen Joseph as a pitiful character, never really coming at things straight ahead. When he's being bullied we see him resist but only in a very superficial fashion, as if he accepts his inferior status. This is emphasized by the scene where he brings up his leg injury as if he's given up before he's really put forth an effort. The ending goes along with this as he takes a superior standpoint to Bonnet, proclaiming that he's "just a jew". He can't take anything on an even keel despite his ability to be an average, relatively understandable person, and so he only justifies his betrayal by pretending to be above him, something that makes him even more despicable. Were he to admit his weakness I would've found him just as sympathetic as Julien, but he makes no effort to come clean, something which Julien (as Malle's surrogate) does in making the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always enjoy reading your posts, especially how you always seem to have a different vantage point, either historically or aesthetically. </p>
<p>I agree with you on most of your points, and as the general buzz on Au Revoir, Les Enfants has been overwhelmingly positive, I daresay there&#8217;ll be little dissent in the ranks of The Cineastes this time around.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;d like to disagree with you on one point, namely that Joseph receives as much sympathy as Julien. Perhaps it&#8217;s just me, but I&#8217;ve always seen Joseph as a pitiful character, never really coming at things straight ahead. When he&#8217;s being bullied we see him resist but only in a very superficial fashion, as if he accepts his inferior status. This is emphasized by the scene where he brings up his leg injury as if he&#8217;s given up before he&#8217;s really put forth an effort. The ending goes along with this as he takes a superior standpoint to Bonnet, proclaiming that he&#8217;s &#8220;just a jew&#8221;. He can&#8217;t take anything on an even keel despite his ability to be an average, relatively understandable person, and so he only justifies his betrayal by pretending to be above him, something that makes him even more despicable. Were he to admit his weakness I would&#8217;ve found him just as sympathetic as Julien, but he makes no effort to come clean, something which Julien (as Malle&#8217;s surrogate) does in making the film.</p>
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		<title>Comment on May 2009: Ugetsu by Influences on the New Wave: Thinking About Mizoguchi&#8217;s &#8220;Ugetsu&#8221; &#171; Nouvelle Vague Cinematheque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Influences on the New Wave: Thinking About Mizoguchi&#8217;s &#8220;Ugetsu&#8221; &#171; Nouvelle Vague Cinematheque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Big Trouble In Little China: Oriental Absurdity and Transnationalism by Crap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel you.  But the thing is I think most of what is at work here is how the director took the screenplay and injected his own commentary into it.  And no Carpenter isn't subtle and as sure as hell he isn't here neither.

If there is satire at work, it isn't hidden by any means but is rather explicit and blown up to super proportions.  Its a similar thing to They Live actually, which I found equally campy but hard to ignore its blatant critiques of consumerist culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel you.  But the thing is I think most of what is at work here is how the director took the screenplay and injected his own commentary into it.  And no Carpenter isn&#8217;t subtle and as sure as hell he isn&#8217;t here neither.</p>
<p>If there is satire at work, it isn&#8217;t hidden by any means but is rather explicit and blown up to super proportions.  Its a similar thing to They Live actually, which I found equally campy but hard to ignore its blatant critiques of consumerist culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Big Trouble In Little China: Oriental Absurdity and Transnationalism by witkacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>witkacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know, Eugene - you make a persuasive argument; but I can't bring myself to imagine that either Gary Goldman and David Weinstein (the original writers), or WD Richter (the rewriter/script doctor) were capable of that kind of tricky allegorical satire...And Carpenter, for all his virtues when he was great, was never subtle, never much of a thinker, nor the type who plays tricks with established form. The foibles of the Jack Burton character here remind me completely of the kind of anti-hero Russell &amp; Carpenter created in Snake Plissken...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Eugene - you make a persuasive argument; but I can&#8217;t bring myself to imagine that either Gary Goldman and David Weinstein (the original writers), or WD Richter (the rewriter/script doctor) were capable of that kind of tricky allegorical satire&#8230;And Carpenter, for all his virtues when he was great, was never subtle, never much of a thinker, nor the type who plays tricks with established form. The foibles of the Jack Burton character here remind me completely of the kind of anti-hero Russell &amp; Carpenter created in Snake Plissken&#8230;</p>
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